德国电讯车队的环法的英雄们凯旋故里(和JAN一起为KLODI加油! ） - 中国德迷联盟 - GerFans.cn

change2000 发表于 2006-7-23 20:51:00

<H3>An interview with Andreas Klöden, July 22, 2006 </H3>
<H3>\"Now, I\'m hungry for more!\" </H3>
It was an important day for T-Mobile\'s Andreas Klöden: at 2\'29 behind Oscar Pereiro, the German\'s goal was to transform his fourth overall placing into third and hop on the podium again in Paris. Many did not believe this was going to be possible, but Klöden proved them wrong: \"They underestimated me,\" was his blunt answer after the race in Montceau-les-Mines. Cyclingnews\' Hedwig Kröner waited for the close friend of Jan Ullrich at the finish of the Tour\'s <a href=\"http://www.cyclingnews.com/road/2006/tour06/?id=results/tour0619\" target=\"_blank\" >last and decisive time trial</A>, and found out about Klöden\'s feelings after this brilliant feat. 
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Q: Today\'s second placing behind your teammate Gonchar, as well as your podium spot in Paris must make you feel very happy. 
AK: Yeah, I\'m overwhelmed! After the difficulties I had this spring, and the setbacks in the Alps, it\'s great to perform so well in the last time trial. My team always believed in me; they motivated me yesterday, and this morning. They told me I could do it - now, I\'m really happy I did. 
Q: Were you informed about the intermediate times - did you know you\'d jump on the podium during the race? 
AK: I actually asked my directeur sportif Valerio Piva not to give me any times during the first 25 kilometres, as that would have only driven me crazy. When he started giving me the times, I was already 1\'30 ahead of Sastre. Of course, that motivated me a lot, and I had Serguei\'s times as well for orientation. In the end, I had Cadel Evans in front of me, so that pulled me again. It certainly was one of my best time trials ever. 
Q: Team T-Mobile also won the teams classification with only seven riders. Where did you get that morale from, after the difficult times in Strasbourg? 
AK: The first week was hard for us mentally, and then we decided to fight. Jan can be proud of this team, because it was supposed to be there for him initially. All of us seven guys were top fit, and we would have won the Tour de France with him, for sure. 
Q: Did you believe that you would achieve a podium placing before the stage? 
AK: I did ride a relatively good time trial in 2004. I knew I could do it, I knew everything would have to go perfectly for me, and my rivals would have to have a bad day - just like I did in the last day in the Alps. I really didn\'t expect it to happen; I just wanted to give my best. And the fact that Carlos Sastre lost some time was bad luck for him, but it made my day. 
Q: Did you have a strategy laid out to shock the others and ride the first part of the TT flat out? 
AK: In the beginning, I had good intermediate times with Serguei: I was about ten seconds behind him, then 20... I knew I had to take his times as a reference because I thought it would be the winning time from the start. The fact that I even beat Floyd Landis in this time trial makes me even more happy, but I sort of have mixed feelings right now. It\'s great that I jumped on the final podium, but if we would have had a better tactical performance, the second placing would have surely been doable. 
Q: What was the part of your team in this result? 
AK: Well, it wouldn\'t have been possible without them. We have been criticized a lot, but as you can see now, our strategy was right. Everybody did their job, also in the mountains, when I had a bad day. I completed the team\'s result; this podium placing belongs to all of the team. 
Q: What were your thoughts on the course? 
AK: It was a good one, which suited my abilities. Not too hard, not too easy. In the end, it was all about your reserves, and I had those today. 
Q: Do you still think about that bad day in the Alps, or is that just over now? 
AK: No, not really. But we could have had it much easier if we hadn\'t given Oscar Pereiro 30 minutes, but just two. Then, I would have ended up second. Still, I\'m happy with my third spot, and we won the teams classification. Plus, my team and I realized that I have the potential to win this race. 
Q: How important is this for you, looking back at all your injuries and your second placing in 2004? 
AK: It\'s pretty important, for sure. After all of these setbacks I had in my career, I can be proud of what I have achieved with my talent and my work, as well as with my trainer and everybody else who supported me. Now, I\'m hungry for more as I\'ve been able to have a go at the victory. 
Q: So that is your goal for next year? 
AK: Well, I would be lying if I said that I\'d like to become fourth or third again next year... I know that I can be up front in this race, and that I can beat my rivals. Congratulations to Floyd Landis - he had a bad day, too, and came back - as well as to Oscar Pereiro, who really fought hard in the Alps. That just goes to show that you shouldn\'t let somebody like him come back... 
Q: Which team will you ride for next year? 
AK: I don\'t know yet. 
JAN和ANDY,不愧是一对好兄弟。

stephenlon 发表于 2006-7-23 21:36:00

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用达达呓语在2006-7-23 17:54:00的发言： 
搞不懂今年环法组委会为什么取消TTT（还我TTT<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em13.gif\" />，团队的力量，TTT才是最直接的体现），电信今年签了这么多计时好手，偏偏取消TTT，晕乎晕乎，真有点浪费了
假设今年有TTT，最终结果就会是另一种格局，坚信电信的TTT实力，两分钟的优势肯定能夺回来</DIV>
就是啊
希望明年能恢复团队计时赛

stephenlon 发表于 2006-7-23 21:43:00

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用ravel在2006-7-23 19:58:00的发言： 其实TTT实力最强的是峰力听力，所以今年没有TTT对电信来说是好事，但是电信太保守了</DIV>
怎么会是瑞士蜂力听力最强呢
肯定是德国电信最强啊

最爱klose 发表于 2006-7-23 22:51:00

今天可以看到协和广场了！这是我最喜欢的广场之一。。嗯，还有塞纳河。。（一度沉迷于漫画。。）。。真兴奋，所以今天德国电信肯定赢的，我们的帅宝宝们肯定会大显身手，然后每个人都拿狮子~~~
今晚Andy一定要加油。。。我一定会支持你，哪怕用光我这个星期所有的运气

digi 发表于 2006-7-24 08:00:00

组织者取消TTT是因为怕由于车队过强导致比赛早早就没了悬念，就像以往的DSC车队，lance这上占了不小的便宜。今年如果有TTT的话，也不见得咱们TMO一定能赢，起码CSC的TTT能力也是很强的，环意上CSC赢了TMO大概是2秒钟。
让人高兴的是Andreas的TT能力有很大的进步，以前TT方面他也就是20多名的成绩，现在有了TT做保证，他更值得期待了。其实今年他没能赢最关键是17站放landis出去了，当时TMO在大队里有4个人，努力一下可以追回来的，可惜。当然也可能是因为车队只有7个人的缘故，明年人员齐整了在控制节奏上应该会更好。
另外明年vino应该可以复出了，我真的希望他能拿一次冠军，毕竟是很有激情的选手

ravel 发表于 2006-7-24 12:06:00

电信TTT能力一向不好，去年环发拿个第四CN说起来还是强势表现呢。阿丹的TT一向很不错，特别是在山地，不过往年的光芒都被阿姆和ULLE掩盖了。

digi 发表于 2006-7-24 13:01:00

去年TTT，TMO是第三！而且明显领先第四名……，TMO的TTT能力一直都是不错的，只不过他们不像DSC和CSC那样能保证全部车手一同完成比赛而已。
另外Andreas以往的TT成绩只能说还可以，谈不上出色，04年表现好过一次（超过了BASSO），其它时候基本是徘徊在20位左右。这站他自己都说了，是他发挥最好的一次。

最爱klose 发表于 2006-7-24 13:12:00

昨晚看得好伤心……本来应该是挺开心的，毕竟电信拿了车队冠军。。不过，我真的无法接受美国人拿冠军这个事实，难道环法就注定被美国人主宰？不想想那么多了，恭喜ANDY，恭喜电信，可爱的狮子，我们总是可以拿到的。只是，今年没有Ulle，不得不感到遗憾，拿狮子的队伍中没有ZABEL，不得不感到惋惜，本来以为Jens可以拿到赛段冠军，还是觉得有点儿伤心。。或许我不应该再支持他们，总是这样，支持谁谁倒霉。。。唯一有点儿欣慰的是，环法结束了，联赛大概快到了

永远的轰炸机 发表于 2006-7-24 14:02:00

这比赛从来就是个人荣誉高于团队荣誉，所以个人冠军含金量都是高于车队冠军的，不过与F1不同的是自行车比赛要成就个人冠军一般都以本队的另外大部分队员作为牺牲，阿母就是个典型

change2000 发表于 2006-7-24 17:23:00

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阿丹取得这个成绩挺不容易的。往年队长是ULLE，大家为ULLE保驾，今年的情况完全变了，阿丹也不是队长，车队明显想扶持年轻车手，毕竟少了两人参赛，车队不敢奢望太多，锻炼年轻人也不为过，所以ROGERS才是他们的心头好。但是老将们还是顶过来了，两个计时赛和山地赛段显示了他们的能力和团队精神。从心底里恭喜他们取得的这个成绩。对他们来说，当家车手被做掉了，还拿车队冠军，还有阿丹的颁奖台，冈查尔两个个人计时赛段冠军，凯斯勒的表现都让人对这支车队感到放心。
唯一担心的是，作为ULLE的好朋友，KLODI别和ULLE共进退了，担心~~~~
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digi 发表于 2006-7-24 18:03:00

其实Andreas也不算大，除了那些天才车手，30出头在环法正是出成绩的时候，再保持2－3年的竞技状态没问题。希望他留在电信车队，毕竟年轻车手还不能马上顶上来。

stephenlon 发表于 2006-7-24 18:22:00

希望乌尔里希不要跟车队闹翻
明年包揽两个冠军

change2000 发表于 2006-7-24 20:29:00

阿丹还是很客气地表示了对车队战术安排的不满,尽管他登上了颁奖台。
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digi 发表于 2006-7-25 07:53:00

他埋怨的应该就是17站，车队战术保守，把landis给放走了。

最爱klose 发表于 2006-7-25 12:14:00

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用stephenlon在2006-7-24 18:22:00的发言： 
希望乌尔里希不要跟车队闹翻
明年包揽两个冠军</DIV>
怎么会！Ulle最乖了。。。我觉得这和车队没有什么关系，要怪就怪那个该死的验血官。。。何况Ulle是个真正的男人，相信他能挺过这一切，就像02~03年那样。作为车迷，我只能祈祷他一切都好，我相信，Ulle一定不会让我们失望的！Ulle，你一定要回来，我真得好想好想好想你，同时感谢Andy和车队陪伴我渡过了暑假的一段美妙时光

最爱klose 发表于 2006-7-25 12:15:00

<DIV class=quote>以下是引用change2000在2006-7-24 17:23:00的发言： 
http://www.t-mobile-team.com/cms/tmoteam/property=blobBigBinary/id=104236.jpg
阿丹取得这个成绩挺不容易的。往年队长是ULLE，大家为ULLE保驾，今年的情况完全变了，阿丹也不是队长，车队明显想扶持年轻车手，毕竟少了两人参赛，车队不敢奢望太多，锻炼年轻人也不为过，所以ROGERS才是他们的心头好。但是老将们还是顶过来了，两个计时赛和山地赛段显示了他们的能力和团队精神。从心底里恭喜他们取得的这个成绩。对他们来说，当家车手被做掉了，还拿车队冠军，还有阿丹的颁奖台，冈查尔两个个人计时赛段冠军，凯斯勒的表现都让人对这支车队感到放心。
唯一担心的是，作为ULLE的好朋友，KLODI别和ULLE共进退了，担心~~~~ </DIV>
呵呵，预感告诉我，肯定不会~~~放心啦

change2000 发表于 2006-7-25 12:18:00

<H3>T-Mobile英雄凯旋!</H3>
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German team T-Mobile returned to its home base in Bonn for a post-Tour fans and media reception on Monday. Susan Westemeyer was there for Cyclingnews to report on what was generally a successful Tour for the magenta team.
It could have been better ... but it could have been a lot worse, too. The Tour de France got off to what might politely be called a rocky start for Team T-Mobile, what with its captain, another rider and the directeur sportif being not only thrown out of the race but suspended from the team. 
But it ended up with three stage wins, three days wearing the leader\'s yellow jersey, the overall team ranking and, oh yes, the third place in GC. 
That third place seems to be a sticking point. Andreas Klöden ended up on the podium in a race he initially expected to be a super-domestique in, but despite that achievement he is left with a feeling of \'what if?\' \"With a little luck, I could have done more,\" he said Monday at T-Mobile\'s corporate headquarters in Bonn, Germany, at a reception for the Tour team. The gathered fans didn\'t seem to care - they were happy to celebrate their heroes. The crowd was perhaps a bit smaller than in past years(因为少了ULLE?), but just as enthusiastic.

change2000 发表于 2006-7-25 12:23:00

<H3>T-Mobile meets fans in Bonn</H3>
German team T-Mobile returned to its home base in Bonn for a post-Tour fans and media reception on Monday. Susan Westemeyer was there for Cyclingnews to report on what was generally a successful Tour for the magenta team.
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It could have been better ...but it could have been a lot worse, too. The Tour de France got off to what might politely be called a rocky start for Team T-Mobile, what with its captain, another rider and the directeur sportif being not only thrown out of the race but suspended from the team. 
But it ended up with three stage wins, three days wearing the leader\'s yellow jersey, the overall team ranking and, oh yes, the third place in GC. 
That third place seems to be a sticking point. Andreas Klöden ended up on the podium in a race he initially expected to be a super-domestique in, but despite that achievement he is left with a feeling of ‘what if?\'. \"With a little luck, I could have done more,\" he said Monday at T-Mobile\'s corporate headquarters in Bonn, Germany, at a reception for the Tour team. The gathered fans didn\'t seem to care - they were happy to celebrate their heroes. The crowd was perhaps a bit smaller than in past years, but just as enthusiastic. 
\"It bugs me, that it was third place, the second spot was surely reachable,\" he stated. \"We missed our chance.\" Who missed it exactly, the riders or the team management? \"Mistakes were made by both,\" he answered. \"The riders make the race but the those who sit in the team auto make the tactics.\" 
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He had earlier given his thoughts on the race in his online diary at www.t-mobile-team.com. \"I\'m not likely to forget these three weeks in France any time soon,\" he wrote. \"Standing on the podium in Paris is quite an awesome experience. I didn\'t expect it to happen after the turmoil at the start. I came here as a helper and then all of a sudden I found myself in the captain\'s role. That meant a lot of extra responsibility. The pressure weighed heavily on me and I couldn\'t prepare myself for that.\" 
Klöden thanked team-mate Matthias Kessler for his role in the squad\'s Tour success, saying that the team captain motivated the riders to keep going after a difficult start. 
\"Matze Kessler has a huge share in this success,\" he continued. \"He was our team\'s motor, spurred us on and gave us courage. He laid down a marker with his stage win in Valkenburg. It was a triumph of the will, which lifted our morale. 
\"I\'d like to take the opportunity to give a big thanks to \'Matze\'. He was always there when I needed him in the past three weeks. A great support, not just on a sporting level!\" 
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Kessler was in a chatty mood at today\'s reception. He won\'t be riding in the ProTour race in Hamburg, but the Deutschland Tour is on his schedule, even if there\'s not a lot of time to recuperate. He\'ll put his legs up for a week, then hopes to \"bring a good performance for the team\" in the Deutschland Tour. How does he feel about his own TdF? \"I\'m more than satisfied, I didn\'t really have a bad day.\" 
And how did the team manage to cope with the suspensions at the beginning of the race? \"It affected us. You can\'t just erase something like that. Somehow it seemed as if they accompanied us the whole time.\" 
Where will Kessler be riding in the future? \"I don\'t know yet. I wanted to ride the Tour first, then we\'ll see in the next few weeks.\" Riding again with Jan Ullrich would be great, but \"you have to see that it will be difficult for him to ride again.\" And would he like to stay with Andreas Klöden? \"We are good friends, so when it works out, it would be good to stay together.\" 
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<CAPTION class=small align=bottom>Somewhere in there are seven T-Mobile riders` Photo ©: Susan Westemeyer</CAPTION>

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T-Mobile CEO Rene Obermann said that the sponsor \"can be proud of this team. the problems at the start, it held together.\" Also he addressed the theme of that third place: \"If you ask me, Klöden could also have earned the yellow jersey. If it wasn\'t for his crash and not being able to train properly, who knows how high he might have finished?\" 
It was a \"great Tour\", he said, but \"it had its shadow side at the beginning. T -Mobile stands for a clean cycling sport. Our only chance that cycling has is a \'no tolerance\' policy for doping.\" 
And that one name that is most usually associated with T-Mobile was mentioned only one time: Has Jan Ullrich congratulated Andreas Klöden? \"He was the first one.\"
JAN第一个祝贺ANDY取得好成绩！凯斯勒也是很棒的队长。
（JAN的律师是反对他做DNA）
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Loki 发表于 2006-7-25 17:05:00

不清楚andy会不会走，杰诺斯特奈尔承诺可以给他队长的位置，想到kessler每次在关键的时候都会给andy鼓励，走出车队大巴时也保护他，和他一同面对记者，当年的三杰场面已经不在，zabel也远走他乡，电信不要最后把andy和matze也分开了~~~~~<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em06.gif\" /> 不过，我在电信的新闻上看到大家已经称他为Kapitän了，不知道这是不是我的希望。
andy说的可能主要不是17站放走landis，后来他自己也承认了，虽然他对那段路很熟悉，但是还是对困难估计不足，受伤的缘故使得他没有想到最后追得那么艰难。ulle说他是个细致敏感的人，那场比赛后andy说，在各个方面都很受伤，唉也真是难为他了。
他指得是到蒙特利马尔的那一站，电信后悔放了佩雷罗28分钟，赛后队员都在谈论，保守可见一斑了。
“Den hätten wir auf der Etappe nach Montélimar nicht so einfach davonfahren lassen dürfen. Dann wäre auch der zweite Platz drin gewesen. Man hätte es sich leichter machen können, indem man ihm nicht 30 sondern nur 20 Minuten zugestanden hätte. Nun gut, das Thema ist durch”当时不应该给佩雷罗30分钟而是20分钟，那么我们将会轻松一些。
虽然我一直含笑听着中央电视台的解说，不过那场比赛姜同学说的那句话我倒是记住了，我怎么看不懂peloton的战术了？！
不过明年还是值得期待的，毕竟那只是landis，vino也可以出来了,想起维诺强有力的冲刺和山地的充沛体力，呵呵厉害的角色
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digi 发表于 2006-7-25 18:19:00

恩，一个是放佩雷罗，一个是放landis，不过之前佩雷罗也是出乎所有人意料，毕竟一个当时落后30分钟的人谁也不会在意的。但是landis那次实在是太不应该了！
vino厉害在于，他不光冲刺和山路段敢于攻击，ITT也是非常强劲的，还有就是他那颗顽强不服输的心。反正解放者车队也解散了，回t-mobile吧！

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