拜仁挖人以削弱竞争对手实力为目的？

今天在论坛上看到这么一个挺火的帖子，估计是深知拜仁底细的德国球迷写的。大家看看，有这么一回事儿吗？

（懒得翻了，借用京多安的话，相信大家都中学毕业了，应该没问题。）

1. Bayern have a rampant history of systematically weakening league opponents: Some examples to put things into perspective:

- Calle de Haye and Lothar Matthäus from Borussia Mönchengladbach in the eighties, weakening the only real rival in the league.

- Mid-eighties: Nürnberg becomes a serious contender: Bayern sign Hans Dorfner, Stefan Reuter, Roland Grahammer and Manfred Schwabl, effectively banishing Nürnberg to mid table again.

- 1989: Köln become a serious competitor: Bayern buy their by far best and most important player Jürgen Kohler.

- 90s: KSC becomes a serious contender: Bayern sign over the course of a few years Michael Sternkopf, Oliver Kreuzer, Mehmet Scholl, Oliver Kahn, Thorsten Fink and Michael Tarnat. In 1998, KSC goes to second division

- 1991: Kaiserslautern wins the league: Bayern buy Bruno Labbadia. Two years later, they buy Marcel Witeczeck and Ciriaco Sforza. 1994, Kaiserslautern go to second division

- 1995: Bremen become a serious competitor: Bayern buy Andreas Herzog and sign Rehhagel, one year later they buy Basler too. And the Bremen-case repeats here: 2005 they buy Ismael, two years later Klose, 2008 they buy Borowski. They even signed Jan Schlaudraff just so that Bremen can't get him.

- Stuttgart case: Bayern destroy the 'magic triangle' by signing Giovane Elber.

- Around the turn of the millenium, Leverkusen becomes a strong opponent: 2001 Bayern sign Kovac, 2002 it's Ballack and Ze Roberto, Lucio in 2004.

I'll stop here and believe me, this list goes on and on and on. Trying to relativize that with the Reus-transfer is inappropriate. And fyi, Dortmund signed players from Bundesliga teams too - but not to systematically drive them out of competition, unlike Bayern, who have a recurring scheme here. Götze and probably Lewa are a part of this scheme.

2. Klopp is a mindgame specialist, at least equal to Mourinho. Comparing him with Hoeneß though is not going to happen, because at no point did Klopp try to destroy careers, much unlike Hoeneß. Google what he did to Willi Lemke, to Christoph Daum or the referee Helmut Krug or to the management of 1860 München for that matter.

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基本上陈述的是事实。但是挖角与球队降级不可能有太直接的关系吧。又不是把全队都挖掉。

挖走核心伤筋动骨啊…或许以前是这样，不过这几年德国球员在国际上也开始吃香了，不挖别人也会挖，不然莱万和格策也不会各种传绯闻了。另外，这就是职业足球。来自: iPhone客户端

我们挖格策和多特挖罗伊斯有区别吗？区别可能就是多特还能打欧冠，门兴可是在资格赛就被淘汰了！出来混迟早是要还的。

“挖人”——购买另一支球队的实力球员，从来就有削弱对手的作用——问题在于被挖者的“体质”如何？

如果说德甲的格局不是长久以来形成了拜仁独大的局面，这种挖人就不会被归结为“系统性地以削弱对手为目的”（也不会这么屡屡“得逞”）——否则何以菲戈转投皇马之类的重量级转会没有引发如此的评论？甚至最近的范大将军转投曼联，也没什么人说老爵爷是为了打击温教授。

更值得议论的，还是德甲何以会形成拜仁独大的局面。拜仁之前的竞争对手是否都是因为拜仁的挖人而衰落下去的？

或许要怪门兴在内策尔海因克斯时代没拿下几个欧冠，否则拜仁不会在球会声望上脱颖而出，形成远远超过任何一支德甲球会的影响力。或许要怪德甲球队缺少肉联厂厂长，没有能力在严重失血之后快速恢复实力。或许怪大黄蜂走向豪门的中途迈错了步子，玩火自焚。

alemanni 发表于 2013-4-30 11:55

                               
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“挖人”——购买另一支球队的实力球员，从来就有削弱对手的作用——问题在于被挖者的“体质”如何？

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Helmut Krug，这个裁判和赫内斯有什么段子？

看不明白。
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