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[讨论]大家在支持德国的同时也请支持一下奥地利

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karlsruher 发表于 2007-12-3 08:34:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>eisenschmiede</i>在2007-12-2 21:57:00的发言:</b><br/><p>去过奥地利的萨尔茨堡玩,感觉就是巴伐的延伸阿,hoho,其实也可以算是同宗啦 </p></div><p>我一直以为Salzburg是德国的,那个地方似乎离巴符州比较近 ,离卡尔斯鲁厄不远</p>
ztq1987 发表于 2007-12-3 08:54:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>虎I</i>在2007-12-2 20:55:00的发言:</b><br/><p>民族=人种?</p><p>你的智商低的也够可以的了</p></div><p></p><p>他要表达的意思大家都明白</p><p>抠字眼才是智商低下的表现</p>
kagetsu 发表于 2007-12-3 09:46:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>不用提醒也知道^_^</p><p>德奥原本就是一家</p><p>当然要支持~!</p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" />
MingTze 发表于 2007-12-3 14:13:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>To those who want to support Austria just because Austrians are \"Teutonic\", 2 pieces of advice: </p><p>(1) Find out a bit more about Austrian football, e.g. check their world ranking.</p><p>(2) Be prepared for disappointment.</p><p>From what I understand from newspapers and magazines, although many Austrians lined the roads to welcome Hitler\'s invading army in the 1930\'s, modern Germans and Austrians do not share the \"brotherly love\" some members here believe to exist among all \"Teutonic people\".  The Austrians in particular consider their German neighbours arrogant, just like many other non-Teutonic Europeans.</p><p>I am not sure how many of those who plan to support Austria can read English, but this article, by German sport writer <font face=\"Arial\">Raphael Honigstein, a Bavarian writing for the website of the respected English newspaper The Guardian, is quite interesting:</font></p><h1><font size=\"1\">The Euro 2008 hosts who are worse than Haiti</font></h1><h1><a href=\"http://football.guardian.co.uk/europeanfootball/story/0,,2191564,00.html\"><font size=\"1\">http://football.guardian.co.uk/europeanfootball/story/0,,2191564,00.html</font></a></h1><p>The article is not easy reading, but very interesting if you can understand it.</p><p>If you cannot be bothered to read the entire article by Honigstein, read just the following paragraph (on how Austrian fans look at their national team\'s participation in Euro 2008):</p><p>\"The situation is so bad that a public petition to withdraw from the competition is gathering pace. Michael Kriess, the man behind \"Austria shows backbone - Initiative for an Austrian-free Euro (for football\'s sake),\" was seen collecting plenty of signatures on Saturday night. He\'s the son of an ex-Austria international and the team\'s performances apparently hurt his \"aesthetic sensibilities\". The rest of the nation just seems embarrassed. The mood in the republic is as flat as a <a href=\"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schnitzel\"><font color=\"#cc0000\">Wiener Schnitzel</font></a>.\"</p><p>That attitude, I suppose, is not what fans of all things \"Teutonic\" expect from a \"Teutonic people\".</p><p>I also wonder how the German fans and Austrian fans will react if they find out there are fans of Germany in far away China who will also support Austria because of the Austrians\' \"shared racial and cultural background\" with the Germans.  I suspect they will be surprised.  I also suspect the Germans won\'t care who else their foreign fans support, and the Austrians won\'t be grateful.  I just hope they--the Austrians--will not be offended.</p><p></p><p>.S.</p><p>My apologies for posting in English.  While I can read Chinese and write Chinese with pen on paper, I have lived in Canada for 20 years and never had the chance to learn to input Chinese characters on an alphabetical keyboard before moving abroad.</p>
von.Helmholtz 发表于 2007-12-3 20:10:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>支持!</p><p>说通俗点</p><p>德国和奥地利就像一个妈生出来的亲兄弟一样</p><p>德国是哥哥,奥地利就是弟弟</p><p></p>
wl2123487 发表于 2007-12-3 20:24:00 | 显示全部楼层
放心 德国和奥地利那关系 已经决定了他们在这个组那就是联合起来算计其他队伍的 德国出线的时候 捎带着就把兄弟拉出来了 而奥地利也会帮着大哥 尽量的把另两个主给拖住 最少也要让他们累个半死再来跟德国过招<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em52.gif\" />
帝国妖人 发表于 2007-12-3 20:29:00 | 显示全部楼层
在德意志民族的神圣罗马帝国被拿破仑废除之前,现在的德国和奥地利地区从来都属于一个国家,虽然形同散沙……奥地利地区古称Ostmark,意为德意志人的“东部边境”,该地区原本和巴伐利亚是一个联合区域。及至德意志第二帝国建立,奥地利才彻底与“德意志帝国”进行区分。其实也就是Hohenzollern不可能与Habsburg联合统治德意志民族,才使得奥地利被排除在德意志民族的主体之外。两国渊源如此之深,支持德国的同时又支持奥地利有什么不可理解呢?仅当缺乏历史感的时候,同时对奥地利的支持才显得不可理解
佩佩の寶 发表于 2007-12-3 20:54:00 | 显示全部楼层
不是支持不支持的问题,是实力问题。
安修 发表于 2007-12-4 06:34:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>庐陵散手</i>在2007-12-2 20:54:00的发言:</b><br/>顺便提一下,让我很困惑的是,以前的欧洲红魔比利时怎么连踢不过波兰了?</div><p>其实我在欧洲杯预选赛开始之前相当看好比利时出线的,可惜太让我失望了。</p><p>比利时的后防到前锋都不差,不该打出预选赛那样的成绩的。</p>
帝国师 发表于 2007-12-4 11:04:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>奥地利    不看好</p>
和弦而歌 发表于 2007-12-4 11:33:00 | 显示全部楼层
那是自然要支持的
5690003 发表于 2007-12-4 12:11:00 | 显示全部楼层
他们遇到代斯勒的时候可没这么想<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em07.gif\" />
和弦而歌 发表于 2007-12-4 13:23:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>5690003</i>在2007-12-4 12:11:00的发言:</b><br/>他们遇到代斯勒的时候可没这么想<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em07.gif\" /></div><p></p><p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /></p><p>这么说我现在倒担心起来了</p>
wl2123487 发表于 2007-12-4 13:58:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>代斯勒那不能全怪奥地利人 就他的玻璃身体 不倒在奥地利 迟早也得倒在其它队伍身上 最后不是还让哈格里夫斯给破坏了一下嘛 唉 说句迷信的话 天就不容他再踢球了 怎么弄都是要到下的</p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em34.gif\" />
潘德尔 发表于 2007-12-4 14:04:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>支持德国和他民族没关系</p><p>奥地利输赢和我也没关系</p><p>支持德国 波兰出线~</p>
豹II 发表于 2007-12-4 14:55:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>奥地利实在太弱了</p><p>98世界杯后感觉就彻底沦为3流队了</p><p>同样进入低谷的瑞士,波兰这两年都有起色,奥地利却是一蹶不振</p><p></p>
豹II 发表于 2007-12-4 14:57:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>另外考虑到本决赛队伍还是在这个半区</p><p>从德国队的利益出发,应该让最强的队伍出来,去和A组的比</p><p>玩阴的,带出来一个菜鸟,A组的潜在对手过1/4就太简单了,对德国队自己一点好处没有</p>
德意志条顿骑士 发表于 2007-12-4 15:01:00 | 显示全部楼层
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德意志条顿骑士 发表于 2007-12-4 15:04:00 | 显示全部楼层
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德意志条顿骑士 发表于 2007-12-4 15:07:00 | 显示全部楼层
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