谈一下巴拉克的作用

<p>我只能说,我更喜欢FRANZ这种风格的...</p><p>74年决赛的时候很明显,克鲁伊夫被福老师盯得失去耐心,火气很大~ 而FRANZ比他沉稳平静得多~ </p><p>也是性格问题吧~ 克氏就非常受媒体欢迎哈~~~<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em05.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em05.gif\" /></p>

<p>蒂尔科夫斯基（Hans Tilkowski） <br/><br/>双方阵容 <br/><br/>英格兰（主教练：拉姆塞）：班克斯；科恩，威尔逊，杰克-查尔顿，鲍比-摩尔，斯泰尔斯，鲍尔，彼得斯，鲍比-查尔顿，赫斯特，亨特 <br/><br/>联邦德国（主教练：施昂）：蒂尔科夫斯基；赫特格斯，奥维拉特，舒尔茨，韦伯，哈勒，施内林格，贝肯鲍尔，席勒，海尔德，埃梅里奇 </p><p>66年的阵容</p>

<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>慕尼黑之恋</i>在2007-3-28 17:03:00的发言：</b><br/><p>74年西德队虽然夺冠，但踢得一般，贝皇不出彩，而荷兰队踢得很好，第二阶段小组赛连克巴西，阿根廷，克鲁伊夫光芒四射，给他金球奖也没啥问题</p><p>还是72年夺得欧洲杯那支西德队牛B，贝皇和内策尔包揽当年金球奖前2名，但是内策尔更应该获得金球奖，对于72年那支队伍的重要性，他是超过贝皇的</p></div><p></p><p>这的确是克鲁伊夫拿下那年金球奖的主要原因~</p><p>内策尔我也觉得很可惜~ 当年金发飘飘的中场~ 那是相当得拉风啊~<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" /></p><p>但是72年是FRANZ第一次在国家队比赛中打自由人,发挥相当出众~ 要是说他不是球队里最重要的...我觉得也不对哦...<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /></p>

<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lothar</i>在2007-3-28 0:51:00的发言：</b><br/><p>退后的巴拉克更可怕.</p><p>能得分的巴拉克并不可怕.因为还是可以防一防的.但他退后之后,随时可以压上来,这就会牵扯一部分防守方的精力.</p><p>他有一脚较为精准的长传,在组织进攻的时候,因为位置靠后了,可选择进攻的点就多,通过这个可以把整支球队融为一体.</p><p>而且,在防守的位置上,巴拉克真是<strong>一夫当关万夫莫开.</strong></p></div><p>膜拜ing，努力学习</p>

<p>UEFA\'s jubilee the best 50 European players of the past 50 years</p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">1. Zinedine Zidane<p></p></font></span></p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"COLOR: red; mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">2. Franz Beckenbauer<br/></font></span><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">3. Johan Cruyff<br/>4. Marcel \'Marco\' van Basten<p></p></font></span></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">5. Dino Zoff</font></span></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">6</font></span><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;\">. Alfredo Di Stéfano Laulhé <br/>7. Eusébio<br/>8. Lev Yashin<br/>9. Michel Platini<br/>10. Paolo Maldini<br/>11. Ferenc Puskás<br/>12. Paolo Rossi<br/>13. Ruud Gullit<br/>14. Sir Bobby Charlton<br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">15. Lothar Matth&auml;us<br/>16. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge<br/></span>17. Franco Baresi<br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">18. Gerd Müller<br/></span>19. George Best<br/>20. Kevin Keegan<br/>21. Frank Rijkaard<br/>22. David Beckham<br/>23. Bobby Moore<br/>24. Roberto Baggio<br/>25. Michael Laudrup<br/>26. Ronald Koeman<br/>27. Peter Schmeichel<br/>28. Gheorghe Hagi<br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">29. Sepp Maier<br/>30. Oliver Kahn<br/></span>31. Luís Figo <br/>32. Raúl González <br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">33. Berti Vogts<br/></span>34. Johan Neeskens<br/>35. Gianni Rivera <br/>36. José Antonio Camacho Alfaro<br/>37. Marco Tardelli<br/>38. Just Fontaine<br/>39. Peter Shilton<br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">40. Bernd Schuster <br/></span>41. Raymond Kopa<br/>42. Eric Cantona<br/>43. <place wst=\"on\"><city wst=\"on\">Stanley</city></place> Matthews<br/>44. Ruud van Nistelrooij<br/>45. Valentin Ivanov<br/>46. Gary Lineker<br/>47. Alessandro Nesta<br/>48. José Emilio Santamaría <br/>49. Alessandro Del Piero<br/>50. Alessandro Costacurta</span></p>

哦谢谢LS的MM~ 辛苦了哈~~~<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" />

<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>一颗流星的梦</i>在2007-3-28 17:07:00的发言：</b><br/><p></p><p>但是72年是FRANZ第一次在国家队比赛中打自由人,发挥相当出众~ 要是说他不是球队里最重要的...我觉得也不对哦...<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /></p></div><p>     我看的《法国足球》的欧洲杯资料上写的，72年内策尔的作用要超过了贝肯鲍尔</p>

<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lesley</i>在2007-3-28 17:15:00的发言：</b><br/><p>UEFA\'s jubilee the best 50 European players of the past 50 years</p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">1. Zinedine Zidane<p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"COLOR: red; mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">2. Franz Beckenbauer<br/></font></span><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">3. Johan Cruyff<br/>4. Marcel \'Marco\' van Basten<p></p></font></span></p><p></p><p></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">5. Dino Zoff</font></span></p><p style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 0cm 0pt;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"mso-ansi-language: EN;\"><font face=\"Times New Roman\">6</font></span><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-font-kerning: 1.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 新細明體; mso-fareast-language: ZH-TW; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;\">. Alfredo Di Stéfano Laulhé <br/>7. Eusébio<br/>8. Lev Yashin<br/>9. Michel Platini<br/>10. Paolo Maldini<br/>11. Ferenc Puskás<br/>12. Paolo Rossi<br/>13. Ruud Gullit<br/>14. Sir Bobby Charlton<br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">15. Lothar Matth&auml;us<br/>16. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge<br/></span>17. Franco Baresi<br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">18. Gerd Müller<br/></span>19. George Best<br/>20. Kevin Keegan<br/>21. Frank Rijkaard<br/>22. David Beckham<br/>23. Bobby Moore<br/>24. Roberto Baggio<br/>25. Michael Laudrup<br/>26. Ronald Koeman<br/>27. Peter Schmeichel<br/>28. Gheorghe Hagi<br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">29. Sepp Maier<br/>30. Oliver Kahn<br/></span>31. Luís Figo <br/>32. Raúl González <br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">33. Berti Vogts<br/></span>34. Johan Neeskens<br/>35. Gianni Rivera <br/>36. José Antonio Camacho Alfaro<br/>37. Marco Tardelli<br/>38. Just Fontaine<br/>39. Peter Shilton<br/><span style=\"COLOR: red;\">40. Bernd Schuster <br/></span>41. Raymond Kopa<br/>42. Eric Cantona<br/>43. <place wst=\"on\"></place><city wst=\"on\"></city>Stanley<city></city><place></place> Matthews<br/>44. Ruud van Nistelrooij<br/>45. Valentin Ivanov<br/>46. Gary Lineker<br/>47. Alessandro Nesta<br/>48. José Emilio Santamaría <br/>49. Alessandro Del Piero<br/>50. Alessandro Costacurta</span></p></div><p></p><p>    MM辛苦了</p><p>    对于这份名单，我是有很多疑问的，比如<font face=\"Times New Roman\">Del Piero和Costacurta这样的都有，却没有克林斯曼，这像话么？</font></p>

还有盖德-穆勒“才”排第18

<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>慕尼黑之恋</i>在2007-3-28 17:21:00的发言：</b><br/><p>     我看的《法国足球》的欧洲杯资料上写的，72年内策尔的作用要超过了贝肯鲍尔</p></div><p></p><p>72年是这样的~ 绍恩教练好不容易同意了FRANZ打自由人(在这之前他已经在拜仁打了将近4年自由人了), 他的位置从原先的中场往后撤,并且在场上没有任何事先安排好的任务,可以在后面随时伺机插上,可以随时参与进攻和防守~ </p><p>在这种情况下,需要另一个队员担当起中场的组织任务~ 这个人就是内策尔,没有他的存在,自由人战术无法发挥出来~ 从这一角度来说,我觉得他们两个是同等重要的~</p>

72年，绍恩就开始打433了

<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>慕尼黑之恋</i>在2007-3-28 17:23:00的发言：</b><br/><p></p><p>    MM辛苦了</p><p>    对于这份名单，我是有很多疑问的，比如<font face=\"Times New Roman\">Del Piero和Costacurta这样的都有，却没有克林斯曼，这像话么？</font></p></div><p>同问 太假了 比我今天t实况还假。。。</p>

贝肯鲍尔和施瓦岑贝克真乃一对自由人和盯人中卫的黄金组合

看完前面的帖子了，好厉害<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em01.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em01.gif\" />只是提醒一下：不要拿他目前在切尔西的状况跟以前比，对于切尔西来说，谁都可以是英雄。切尔西也没有特定火力点，甚至连后防上的卡瓦略和埃辛都可以成为进攻的武器，整体的战术和小巴曾经呆过的球队差别太大，没有可比性。

<p>這是UEFA先選出250位球員, 然後讓球迷網上投票.詳情可以看這個: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/history/5050/</p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 2.25pt 15pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;\">As part of the events marking UEFA’s Golden Jubilee, European football’s governing body conducted a poll of its website users to establish the 50 best European players of the past 50 years. <p></p></span></p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 2.25pt 15pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;\">There have been plenty of surveys conducted by various experts down the years, but this time the vote was taken by the people who really know the game – the fans. To help you, we assembled a list of 250 players from across the five decades of UEFA’s existence.<p></p></span></p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 2.25pt 15pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;\">The nominations were based on performances in domestic and European club competitions, as well as UEFA European Championships and FIFA World Cups. Voters were asked to select their favourite ten players from each of the five decades of UEFA\'s existence. <p></p></span></p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 2.25pt 15pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;\">In the end, a total of nearly 150,000 people took part, producing in excess of 7,000,000 votes and a list of 50 players which provided a fascinating mix of era, playing position and nationality.</span></p>

<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lesley</i>在2007-3-28 17:37:00的发言：</b><br/><p>這是UEFA先選出250位球員, 然後讓球迷網上投票.詳情可以看這個: http://www.uefa.com/uefa/history/5050/</p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 2.25pt 15pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;\">As part of the events marking UEFA’s Golden Jubilee, European football’s governing body conducted a poll of its website users to establish the 50 best European players of the past 50 years. <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 2.25pt 15pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;\">There have been plenty of surveys conducted by various experts down the years, but this time the vote was taken by the people who really know the game – the fans. To help you, we assembled a list of 250 players from across the five decades of UEFA’s existence.<p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 2.25pt 15pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;\">The nominations were based on performances in domestic and European club competitions, as well as UEFA European Championships and FIFA World Cups. Voters were asked to select their favourite ten players from each of the five decades of UEFA\'s existence. <p></p></span></p><p></p><p></p><p class=\"MsoNormal\" style=\"MARGIN: 0cm 2.25pt 15pt; VERTICAL-ALIGN: top; mso-pagination: widow-orphan;\"><span lang=\"EN\" style=\"FONT-SIZE: 8.5pt; FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN; mso-font-kerning: 0pt; mso-bidi-font-family: 新細明體;\">In the end, a total of nearly 150,000 people took part, producing in excess of 7,000,000 votes and a list of 50 players which provided a fascinating mix of era, playing position and nationality.</span></p></div><p></p><p>     这个我知道的，03年10月有一期足球周刊上登过的</p><p>     50年分成5个10年，55－64，65－74，75－84，85－94，95－04</p><p>     每个10年有50位候选人，这样一共250位</p><p>     巴拉克也在候选人之列，95－04这10年</p>

球迷投票。。可以理解了。。。

<p>巴拉克打前腰那会，我就说他是“非典型性前腰”，不能用传统的前腰的技术特点来要求他</p><p>后来我又用篮球里面很常见的“摇摆人”来形容他，后腰-前腰摇摆人</p>

无与伦比的中场核心哦！

<p>其实我觉得所谓让巴拉克一直牺牲下去，还有个更深层的原因！这不是他一个人牺牲下去的问题，而是德国没有好的中场儲备！很多人看不起马克莱莱，觉得他是个干脏活的，可是为什么整个德国的防守型中场人才里，连这么个合格的干脏活的都找不到？！</p><p>我觉得于其讨论巴拉克的使用,还不如好好想想现在为什么这样的用他~~~~这是大环镜的问题~~~~</p><p>还有，他如果真的喜欢这样的位置，就不会去车子，他大可以去曼联接基恩的班，或者去国米接替贝隆，继续做他的中场组织核心去！！<br/></p>

[此贴子已经被作者于2007-3-28 20:23:27编辑过]