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wilwilson 发表于 2008-4-23 14:02:00 | 显示全部楼层
剛考完了一科<br/>回到家..就看到這樣的新聞...<br/><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em50.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em50.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em50.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em50.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em50.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em50.gif\" /><br/><br/>現在拜仁版的貼子我都不敢亂看...<br/>看了自己煩心...<br/><br/>
稗官野史 发表于 2008-4-23 14:16:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>刚从拜仁版回来,扶墙休息一会儿,wk</p><p>烦死了烦死了烦死了,娘的有完没完啊(掌柜让我发泄下吧我知道我应该转天下版&gt;&lt;)</p><p>虽然他现在说了一堆废话被人骂成白眼狼我还是相信他心里是有拜仁的!!</p><p>自欺欺人不行啊!</p><p></p><p></p>
不来梅冰球 发表于 2008-4-23 14:19:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>小A把标题都改了</p><p>5555555555555</p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" />
热爱金属 发表于 2008-4-23 14:26:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lyre</i>在2008-4-23 8:59:00的发言:</b><br/><p>LS的废铁我知道你被松鼠拒绝续约的消息刺激了。。心里不爽。。</p><p>但是如果你想说风凉话或者吵架的请移驾拜仁版。。。我们这楼里没心情和人吵架。。</p><p></p></div><p>我这也算风凉话。。难不成我变成外人了。。。</p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em13.gif\" />
wilwilson 发表于 2008-4-23 14:27:00 | 显示全部楼层
我是不應該看這些新聞的...<br/>沒有心情溫習了...<br/>T.T<br/><br/><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em98.gif\" />
MingTze 发表于 2008-4-23 15:19:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>alpha的守护神</i>在2008-4-23 12:27:00的发言:</b><br/><p>球员转会是很正常的事,没有几个球员是在一家俱乐部终老的</p><p>对于双方来说也许都是机遇,也许不是</p><p>只是对于一些不希望该球员离开的人来说很难接受</p><p>这就是职业足球,很多情况下,球员就像商品那样在货架上等待出售</p><p>球队因为种种原因对他们或是租借或是卖掉</p><p>最后可能皆大欢喜,也可能正好相反</p><p>总之,俱乐部永远是在主动的一方</p><p>所以,一但球员有机会把握自己的命运,他们当然要考虑清楚</p><p>不知道当初拜仁把拉姆租出去的时候现在那些骂他的人是怎么说的</p><p>为什么当一个球员由于各种原因不在状态,俱乐部就可以把他租借或出售,没有人去职责俱乐部,好像这是应该的,对,优胜劣汰,俱乐部没有必要留着没用的家伙是不是,或者俱乐部想通过某些球员而在经济上大挣一笔,也没人说什么,这就是职业操作,旧的不去新的不来,但为什么一个当打球员想转会,想到一个更好的环境,就被很多人骂成叛徒,说他不忠,奇怪</p><p>这不是针对拉姆一个人说的,所有球员都一样</p><p>只是看了那么多的分分合合,有很多感触</p><p>就像这赛季的托尼,如果不是他的存在谁能说现在拜仁会是什么样子</p><p>佛罗伦萨的球迷骂他是叛徒,但他在拜仁实现的他冠军的梦想,有错吗</p><p>我觉得,真正的球迷应该为他高兴,他为自己赢得了梦想,为俱乐部迎来了荣誉,为球迷奉献了精彩的表演,里贝里等也是一样</p><p>不得不承认,也许拜仁不是他们想来的球队,也许是因为经济上的原因才让他们的原来的球队把他们送到拜仁,但现在,他们成为球队的核心,而且尽心尽力为球队贡献着自己的力量这就够了</p><p>而且拜仁也绝不会是他们终老的地方,他们还会远走的,到那时,会不会也有人骂他们</p><p>所有那些已经离开的,或以后可能离开的球员,我只有忠心的祝福,希望他们能够有好的境遇,毕竟他们为拜仁奉献了他们的青春</p><p>有人说拉姆没有忠诚,不配把马尔蒂尼作为偶像</p><p>那么什么又是他们所说的忠诚呢</p><p>职业足球本没有什么所谓的忠诚可言</p><p><font color=\"#dd2222\">个人理解的忠诚不是说一个球员把自己的职业生涯全部贡献给一个球队,而且他在该球队期间,尽心尽力,做好他所做的一切,问心无愧就好</font></p><p><font color=\"#dd2222\">其实很像平时生活中,普通人的跳槽,工作环境不适合自己可以走,公司没有前途可以走,薪金不满意可以走,哪个人没换过工作,可为什么没有一个人说自己是叛徒</font>,为什么要对别人用这么恶毒的词</p><p>我真的希望拉姆留在拜仁,现在也自我安慰,事情还没有最终敲定,在正式的转会合同出来前,我都会这么想</p><p>最终,他如果真的走了,也好,未尝不是件好事,到外面闯闯也好,不管作为拜仁的球迷还是拉姆的球迷,我都会送出祝福,希望他在国外一切顺利</p><p>不想把这些话说出来,但憋在心理实在是太难过,尤其是看了拜仁版所谓的队迷的冷嘲热讽,破口大骂</p><p>我不把这些话在那里说,然后去打架,没这心情,也更没这必要</p><p>我也真心的希望大家也都用宽容的心对待球员</p><p>而且话说回来他也没有对不起谁,拉姆虽然没有续约,但他参加的比赛他都亲尽全力,他没有理由遭到非议</p><p>如果有人想骂就骂,请出门左转,那里有一个叫拜仁版的地方,给所有人提供破口大骂的场所,轻便</p><p>只是感到心寒,一个球员被自己球队的球迷骂得一文不值</p><p>算了,喜欢怎么样就怎么样吧,谁也不会因为几个人的言语而最后失业</p><p></p></div><p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em83.gif\" /></p><p>Very well said.  Very mature observation. </p><p></p><p></p><p>(My apologies for posting in English.  Some of the MMs here might have \"seen\" me on other Bayern bbs, and know that I cannot type Chinese.  Please allow me to go on and post a long message in English.) </p><p></p><p>Don\'t get too upset about those so-called fans who cursed every player who left before their usefulness to the team has expired.  I know it is easier said than done.  I am a lot older than everyone on these football bbs, and have seen a lot more of the world than you boys and girls,  It still make me sad to see people who are completely unable to respect anyone who do not do as they wish.  </p><p></p><p>Some people watch football not because they love the game or even the team they support.  The \"passion of fans\" is an excuse and justification to vent their frustrations with their sorry lives.  </p><p></p><p>I once saw a movie with the following scene.  </p><p>\"The Empress Ci Xi was upset about something. So she ordered several dozens of servant girls to be beaten to death outside her palace.  But before they were dragged outside to be beaten to death, the girls all knelt and kowtow to the \"Old Budha\" to thank her for the privilege to serve her and for the honour of being sentenced to death by her personally.\"  </p><p>I know this is not the best analogy, but somehow, whenever certain football fans demand complete loyalty from players of \"their\" teams, that scene keep coming to my mind.   Now, that is \"loyalty\"!  And of course, the \"Old Budha\"  was always right, anyone who did not please her was totally worthless. </p><p></p><p>Obviously these fans cannot do anything more than scream and curse and call names.  But these guys seems to still entertain the medieval concept that defines loyalty as \"when the emperor tells a subject to die, the subject has no alternative but to die\".  Of course they are indulging the fantacy of being in the emperor\'s position.  They would never imagine themselves as the subjects.  To them, in football, being a fan make them emperors. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, Franz Beckenbauer retired at Hamburg, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge left for Inter , never to return to Bayern as a player, after years of rumours that he was about to leave Bayern for a foreign paycheck.  Even Uli Hoeness briefly left Bayern for half a season for another team (I can\'t remember which) in an attempt to revive his injury ravaged career.  They would all have been \"traitors\".  Well, actually, perhaps not Hoesness, because when he left he was no longer useful as a player. Der Kaiser was no longer at his peak when he left, but still way better than most players. </p><p></p><p>As I said, I must be older than everyone on these football bbs.  I also happened to be born in Hong Kong, and so was fortunate to be exposed to international football early.  I became a fan of the then West Germany at the 1974 world cup, the first one with good television coverage in Hong Kong.  Because of the 6 Bayern players among those world champions, I also started to follow Bayern.  Other than 3 years in the late 1970\'s, I have not been able to watch Bayern play regularly.  (I moved to the football wilderness called North America.)  But I am still a Bayern fan.  I watched the 1975 European Cup final (the predecessor of the Champions League) on TV, when Bayern beat Leeds to claim their 2nd Big Ears.  I was at the San Siro in 2001 when Bayern finally regained the trophy after 25 years.  I know I will still be there, lifespan permitting, when Bayern claim their fifth, although I hope I don\'t have to wait for another 25 years.  </p><p></p><p>I just smile when some kids call themselves \"senior\" fans for having been Bayern fans for 10 years.  (It certainly isn\'t their fault that they were born after Der Kaiser, or perhaps even after Rummenigge, retired from playing football.  Personally, I dare not take myself too seriously as a fan, despite my old age, because I know there are other fans around who have watched Fritz Walter played football.)   I am sure I would not pass the test as a \"real\" football fan , or a \"real\" Bayern fan, in the eyes of some young football experts on the Chinese football bbs.  I happen to \"ride the fence\" sometimes and like other teams now and then.  (I call it being married to Bayern and having an occasional affair with another team. <img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em21.gif\" />)  I also have favorite players I care deeply about.  And I wonder how many of the righteous, loyal fans who scream and curse the \"traitors\" would still be screaming and cursing for the love of Bayern in 25 years\' time. </p><p></p><p>Not all of my favorite players over the years are German or played for Bayern, although many are and many did.  Lahm is one of my favorites among currently active players.  I have been a Bayern fan long before Lahm was born.  I have seen my favorite players come and go from my fovorite team(s).  I am sure, when Lahm leaves Bayern, I will still support Bayern, and I will continue to care about him, whichever team he plays for.  Wherever he goes, I wish him the best. </p><p></p><p>.S.  I wish Lahm had handled this contract situation better than he did, but that is a different topic.  He has never given the impression of being an undecisive person, but rather someone who knows what he wants.  The decision to leave Bayern must be a very difficult one for him.  That is why, I think, he was so undecisive--and I just hope he and Bayern can stay on good terms after the parting of ways, the way Elber and Makaay stay on good terms wtih Bayern.</p>
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Lyre 发表于 2008-4-23 15:34:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>alpha的守护神</i>在2008-4-23 12:27:00的发言:</b><br/><p>球员转会是很正常的事,没有几个球员是在一家俱乐部终老的</p><p>对于双方来说也许都是机遇,也许不是</p><p>只是对于一些不希望该球员离开的人来说很难接受</p><p>这就是职业足球,很多情况下,球员就像商品那样在货架上等待出售</p><p>球队因为种种原因对他们或是租借或是卖掉</p><p>最后可能皆大欢喜,也可能正好相反</p><p>总之,俱乐部永远是在主动的一方</p><p>所以,一但球员有机会把握自己的命运,他们当然要考虑清楚</p><p>不知道当初拜仁把拉姆租出去的时候现在那些骂他的人是怎么说的</p><p>为什么当一个球员由于各种原因不在状态,俱乐部就可以把他租借或出售,没有人去职责俱乐部,好像这是应该的,对,优胜劣汰,俱乐部没有必要留着没用的家伙是不是,或者俱乐部想通过某些球员而在经济上大挣一笔,也没人说什么,这就是职业操作,旧的不去新的不来,但为什么一个当打球员想转会,想到一个更好的环境,就被很多人骂成叛徒,说他不忠,奇怪</p><p>这不是针对拉姆一个人说的,所有球员都一样</p><p>只是看了那么多的分分合合,有很多感触</p><p>就像这赛季的托尼,如果不是他的存在谁能说现在拜仁会是什么样子</p><p>佛罗伦萨的球迷骂他是叛徒,但他在拜仁实现的他冠军的梦想,有错吗</p><p>我觉得,真正的球迷应该为他高兴,他为自己赢得了梦想,为俱乐部迎来了荣誉,为球迷奉献了精彩的表演,里贝里等也是一样</p><p>不得不承认,也许拜仁不是他们想来的球队,也许是因为经济上的原因才让他们的原来的球队把他们送到拜仁,但现在,他们成为球队的核心,而且尽心尽力为球队贡献着自己的力量这就够了</p><p>而且拜仁也绝不会是他们终老的地方,他们还会远走的,到那时,会不会也有人骂他们</p><p>所有那些已经离开的,或以后可能离开的球员,我只有忠心的祝福,希望他们能够有好的境遇,毕竟他们为拜仁奉献了他们的青春</p><p>有人说拉姆没有忠诚,不配把马尔蒂尼作为偶像</p><p>那么什么又是他们所说的忠诚呢</p><p>职业足球本没有什么所谓的忠诚可言</p><p>个人理解的忠诚不是说一个球员把自己的职业生涯全部贡献给一个球队,而且他在该球队期间,尽心尽力,做好他所做的一切,问心无愧就好</p><p>其实很像平时生活中,普通人的跳槽,工作环境不适合自己可以走,公司没有前途可以走,薪金不满意可以走,哪个人没换过工作,可为什么没有一个人说自己是叛徒,为什么要对别人用这么恶毒的词</p><p>我真的希望拉姆留在拜仁,现在也自我安慰,事情还没有最终敲定,在正式的转会合同出来前,我都会这么想</p><p>最终,他如果真的走了,也好,未尝不是件好事,到外面闯闯也好,不管作为拜仁的球迷还是拉姆的球迷,我都会送出祝福,希望他在国外一切顺利</p><p>不想把这些话说出来,但憋在心理实在是太难过,尤其是看了拜仁版所谓的队迷的冷嘲热讽,破口大骂</p><p>我不把这些话在那里说,然后去打架,没这心情,也更没这必要</p><p>我也真心的希望大家也都用宽容的心对待球员</p><p>而且话说回来他也没有对不起谁,拉姆虽然没有续约,但他参加的比赛他都亲尽全力,他没有理由遭到非议</p><p>如果有人想骂就骂,请出门左转,那里有一个叫拜仁版的地方,给所有人提供破口大骂的场所,轻便</p><p>只是感到心寒,一个球员被自己球队的球迷骂得一文不值</p><p>算了,喜欢怎么样就怎么样吧,谁也不会因为几个人的言语而最后失业</p><p></p></div><p></p><p></p><p>抱抱LG。。还有你的论文。。</p><p>这些话完全都是我想说的。。只是今天根本没有没时间也没心情敲字。。脑子里乱得不行。。。</p><p>可是这些道理。。现在根本就没有人听。。。</p><p>我看到你在拜仁版和人理论。。算了吧。。。多说无益。。。反正大家早该预见到这种场面了。。。</p><p></p>
Lyre 发表于 2008-4-23 15:45:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>MingTze</i>在2008-4-23 15:19:00的发言:</b><br/><p>To them, in football, being a fan make them emperors. </p><p></p><p></p><p>I am sure, when Lahm leaves Bayern, I will still support Bayern, and I will continue to care about him, whichever team he plays for.  Wherever he goes, I wish him the best. </p><p></p><p>.S.  I wish Lahm had handled this contract situation better than he did, but that is a different topic.  He has never given the impression of being an undecisive person, but rather someone who knows what he wants.  The decision to leave Bayern must be a very difficult one for him.  That is why, I think, he was so undecisive--and I just hope he and Bayern can stay on good terms after the parting of ways, the way Elber and Makaay stay on good terms wtih Bayern.</p><br/></div><p></p><p>我不想评论其他球迷。。\"To them,in football,being a fan make them emperors\"。。但这句话真的很精彩。。。</p><p>lahm就算离了拜仁。。。我仍然是拜仁的球迷。。但我也会一直关注他。。。希望拜仁好。。希望他好。。</p><p>这也是我的态度。。</p>
goleo6 发表于 2008-4-23 15:50:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>别理有些拜仁球迷<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em07.gif\" /></p><p>话说回来,貌似在西班牙大家都知道巴萨跟拉姆达成了协议,很早以前就看见论坛上有人用确定的口吻说这件事了,应该是冬歇期以前……</p>
Lyre 发表于 2008-4-23 15:51:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>热爱金属</i>在2008-4-23 14:26:00的发言:</b><br/><p>我这也算风凉话。。难不成我变成外人了。。。</p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em13.gif\" /></div><p></p><p></p><p>不算风凉话。。。那算什么。。</p><p>他虽然在续约的事情上扭扭捏捏了这么久。。他什么时候提过薪水的事。。。他伸手要过队长袖标么。。。</p><p>如果你要拿那些国内媒体从图片报上添油加醋转载来的消息来做证据。。那好吧。。我无话可说。。。</p><p>现在惯宝宝要\"出国深造\"了,不是正合你的心意么。。何必火冒三丈呢。。</p><p></p>
Lyre 发表于 2008-4-23 15:54:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>goleo6</i>在2008-4-23 15:50:00的发言:</b><br/><p>别理有些拜仁球迷<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em07.gif\" /></p><p>话说回来,貌似在西班牙大家都知道巴萨跟拉姆达成了协议,很早以前就看见论坛上有人用确定的口吻说这件事了,应该是冬歇期以前……</p></div><p>马卡报的消息么 = =|||| </p><p>不过那个协议是没有可行性的啊。。。说等合同期满后松鼠自由转会的巴萨。。但厂长完全可以夏季的时候把松鼠卖掉的。。等不到那个时候<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /></p>
goleo6 发表于 2008-4-23 15:57:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lyre</i>在2008-4-23 15:54:00的发言:</b><br/><p>马卡报的消息么 = =|||| </p><p>不过那个协议是没有可行性的啊。。。说等合同期满后松鼠自由转会的巴萨。。但厂长完全可以夏季的时候把松鼠卖掉的。。等不到那个时候<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /></p></div><p>不是马卡报,是拉科的英文论坛。我记得原话好像是:It is almost an open secret in Spain that Lahm will go to Barca next season.但我现在找不到原文了。。。</p>
热爱金属 发表于 2008-4-23 15:59:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lyre</i>在2008-4-23 15:51:00的发言:</b><br/><p></p><p></p><p>不算风凉话。。。那算什么。。</p><p>他虽然在续约的事情上扭扭捏捏了这么久。。他什么时候提过薪水的事。。。他伸手要过队长袖标么。。。</p><p>如果你要拿那些国内媒体从图片报上添油加醋转载来的消息来做证据。。那好吧。。我无话可说。。。</p><p>现在惯宝宝要\"出国深造\"了,不是正合你的心意么。。何必火冒三丈呢。。</p><p></p></div><p></p>拉倒吧。。。。别找着吵。。
Lyre 发表于 2008-4-23 16:05:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>goleo6</i>在2008-4-23 15:57:00的发言:</b><br/><p>不是马卡报,是拉科的英文论坛。我记得原话好像是:It is almost an open secret in Spain that Lahm will go to Barca next season.但我现在找不到原文了。。。</p></div><p>我只记得当时好像是说马卡报上最先登出来的。。具体来源要追的话就太难了。。也懒得找了。。</p><p>反正现在lahm要走已经板上钉钉了。。</p><p>不过会不会去巴萨也还不知道呢。。。</p><p>就盼着厂长趁着夏天卖掉就算了。。不然越拖事儿越多。。</p>
goleo6 发表于 2008-4-23 16:13:00 | 显示全部楼层
对啊,这种东西顺其自然就好,职业足球么,趁着年轻出去闯荡闯荡也没啥不好,谈合同当然是哪家合适去哪家了。
Lyre 发表于 2008-4-23 16:17:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>goleo6</i>在2008-4-23 16:13:00的发言:</b><br/>对啊,这种东西顺其自然就好,职业足球么,趁着年轻出去闯荡闯荡也没啥不好,谈合同当然是哪家合适去哪家了。</div><p></p><p> </p><p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" />就是顺其自然的过程太心烦了。。。</p>
姚黄魏紫 发表于 2008-4-23 16:18:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>摸摸楼上的亲妈团</p>
goleo6 发表于 2008-4-23 16:26:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lyre</i>在2008-4-23 16:17:00的发言:</b><br/><p></p><p> </p><p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" />就是顺其自然的过程太心烦了。。。</p></div><p>这……我一直都是认为他会走的,所以……</p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" />
Lyre 发表于 2008-4-23 16:29:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>姚黄魏紫</i>在2008-4-23 16:18:00的发言:</b><br/><p>摸摸楼上的亲妈团</p></div><p></p><p></p><p>回摸~~</p>
Lyre 发表于 2008-4-23 16:31:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>goleo6</i>在2008-4-23 16:26:00的发言:</b><br/><p>这……我一直都是认为他会走的,所以……</p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /></div><p></p><p> </p><p>我其实也不是没做过他会走得心里准备。。但没想到这么快。。。</p><p>而且在他之前表态说他已经要续约后。。我没想到突然间又生这么多变故。。。<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /></p>
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