[fanfic]注定的幸福40609楼2031页德众的新年祝福第2季

wilwilson · 发表于 2008-4-24 15:46:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用MingTze在2008-4-24 14:57:00的发言： No they can\'t.Unfortunately, there are too many people whose undertanding of \"respect\" is that it is something the world owe them, not something they should show to anyone else.

.S.I grew up in Hong Kong, but have lived in Canada for over 20 years now.</div>sigh that was sad to hear that... too many people don\'t understand the true meaning of \"respect\"...<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" />maybe i should concentrate on my CE instead of surfing the net and reading those news again..CE is much more important right now...sigh..

MingTze · 发表于 2008-4-24 16:25:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用热爱金属在2008-4-23 23:20:00的发言： 我真正恨的是巴13..对拉姆更多的是伤心和难过而引起的愤怒..如果你是拜仁球迷,应该有这种感受</div>I have been a Bayern fan probably from before you were born. ( It wiil be 34 years by this summer, and counting). But I have never felt the way I should (i.e. 应该). I have never hated anyone for leaving Bayern, or for beating Bayern, or for bad-mouthing Bayern.Yes, when a useful player leaves Bayern, I am disappointed, sometimes even sad. But that is very far from anger, even father from hate. Obviously you are entitled to your opinions and your feelings, even though I don\'t share them. And you, and your opinions and your feelings have my respect as long as they are expressed in a civil way--which they have been so far.I wonder how today\'s fans would have reacted when Beckenbauer, still not \"over the hill\" at 31 given his football brain and style of play, quit Bayern to join the New York Cosmos in the money-burning North America Soccer League, AND return to the Bundesliga 3 years later---to play 2 more years for Hamburg! Or when there were persistent rumours for years that Rummenigge was about to leave Bayern for some team in Spain or italy, which he eventually did in 1984 by joining Inter. At that time, they were absolutely key players to Bayern, more so than Ballack ever was. Even Uli Hoeness left Bayern in an attempt to revive his injury ravaged career. ( Well, he failed.) While he was no longer useful at that time because of his bad knees, I wonder if today\'s fans might feel that he should have save that trouble by just retiring at Bayern, just to preserve his \"chastity\" with the club, the way Van Basten and Sammer did at the clubs they were identifies with, many years later. Fortunately for Hoeness, Rummenigga and Der Kaiser, most of today\'s righteous fans with their high moral standards were not born yet when that happened.

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西城女孩 · 发表于 2008-4-24 16:45:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用alpha的守护神在2008-4-23 22:23:00的发言： 看到了，我还没事的想拉姆版最后要怎么办，因为那里不像DFO，拉姆虽然离开德甲了，毕竟还是德国球员但官网那边是拜仁的版面，算了消了就消了吧，那的版主现在都在骂他了，还要那个地方干什么</div><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em06.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em06.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em06.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" />大姐姐是在说瓦吧……<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" />瓦真的素被雷过头了<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em22.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em22.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em33.gif\" />瓦比较容易激动~~~~~~~~~~~~<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em33.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em32.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em37.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em53.gif\" />现在冷静下来还是很后悔自己的话。。。。。。。。。。。。。<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em74.gif\" />默~跑走。。。<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em61.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em61.gif\" />希望内们能原谅。不能的话也就当素一个再次的教训<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em61.gif\" />

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Neverever_D · 发表于 2008-4-24 22:49:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用MingTze在2008-4-24 16:25:00的发言： I have been a Bayern fan probably from before you were born. ( It wiil be 34 years by this summer, and counting). But I have never felt the way I should (i.e. 应该). I have never hated anyone for leaving Bayern, or for beating Bayern, or for bad-mouthing Bayern.………………</div>太强了。首先参拜一下老前辈，我知道联盟有大龄球迷在混，不过34年的球龄的确很不容易了，比这里很多人的实际年龄还大出好多。我觉得年长的人经历的事比较多，反而能够宽容地看待很多事物了。有句话很好“因为懂得，所以慈悲”。读书的时候我也激进过，脑袋里充满了二元论。但是慢慢地接触社会接触人事的机会越来越多，越是觉得这个世界上很多事不是年轻人脑袋里想得那么简单的。自己都不能保证作到的事怎么能要求别人去做到呢。职业上的“Chastity”在竞争激烈的当今社会只会越来越不切实际，不是说它不好迂腐。但是强要拿它去约束别人，这本身就是很任性的一种行为。其实还应考虑一个问题，你提到BM三巨头的典故，须知那些事发生时中国的德迷还凤毛麟角。虽然现在德迷在球迷群体中依然算不得大众，但人数终究比往日突飞猛涨了许多。我倒不是要说一个从众心理。但是近来的很多事都表明了一个道理，人数的累计会明显抬升愤怒指数。本来只能说一般程度的不平事，很多人聚在一起开次声讨会就会把这种愤怒动员成一场暴动。等到冷静下来想想，其实也不是不能接受。但是当时就是那么愤怒了。昨天在坦克版看到有人说省队不比弱队，被人挖了墙角就忍气吞声认了命接受现实永远只能徘徊在二流。其实我当时看到那样的言论是很郁闷的，因为我作为以卖血为生的斯图的球迷就是对被挖墙角这种事很认命的。但这并不是窝囊，而是各自俱乐部的生存方式罢了。而且谁家的孩子谁家爱，BM以霸气为荣的话，那我斯图就是以青春为荣。就算心里再舍不得再难过，把自己最喜爱的球员送走时也要笑着祝福，这就是我家的生活方式。将心比心，一个俱乐部可以拥有很多球员，百年多地延续下去，但是一个球员的运动生命不过十来年，相较起来仿佛昙花一样短暂，谁都想活得更精彩。集体有集体的追求，个人也有个人的梦想。两者都是合理的。

lovemills · 发表于 2008-4-25 00:04:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用热爱金属在2008-4-23 23:20:00的发言： 我真正恨的是巴13..对拉姆更多的是伤心和难过而引起的愤怒..如果你是拜仁球迷,应该有这种感受</div>没有爱过，哪来的恨，摸摸头球员的忠诚是不可多得的，但不是必须的，尤其在商业操作下的社会

lovemills · 发表于 2008-4-25 00:16:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用alpha的守护神在2008-4-23 22:23:00的发言： 看到了，我还没事的想拉姆版最后要怎么办，因为那里不像DFO，拉姆虽然离开德甲了，毕竟还是德国球员但官网那边是拜仁的版面，算了消了就消了吧，那的版主现在都在骂他了，还要那个地方干什么</div>在皇马的论坛，有一个版是留给过去的球星们，至今还保有贝克汉姆的一个子版这些都是曾经闪耀在同一个球场的星星，转会，离开，其实只是职业生涯里的一部分为俱乐部创造荣誉是理所当然的，难道为自己前程思考并做出行动就不正常么？我不明白恨在哪里，我从来没有恨过任何人

棉被爱王子 · 发表于 2008-4-25 00:18:00

上主ID来团抱所有HL的亲妈们~MUA<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" />

棉被爱王子 · 发表于 2008-4-25 00:21:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用稗官野史在2008-4-24 0:42:00的发言： 我不恨巴拉克，我不恨哈格里夫斯，那我是不是连喜欢拜仁的权利也没有啊！</div><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" />没有没有~你去喜欢曼联吧，踢走<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" />

稗官野史 · 发表于 2008-4-25 00:25:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用棉被爱王子在2008-4-25 0:21:00的发言： <img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em02.gif\" />没有没有~你去喜欢曼联吧，踢走<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" /></div>不要，谁喜欢曼联，挠地<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em14.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em14.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em14.gif\" />

稗官野史 · 发表于 2008-4-25 00:27:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用热爱金属在2008-4-24 1:38:00的发言： 那你不是好了。。我没逼你。。。<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em21.gif\" /></div><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" />

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棉被爱王子 · 发表于 2008-4-25 00:56:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用稗官野史在2008-4-25 0:25:00的发言： 不要，谁喜欢曼联，挠地<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em14.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em14.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em14.gif\" /></div>那大桑普呢？大罗马呢？<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em05.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em05.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em05.gif\" />

alpha的守护神 · 发表于 2008-4-25 03:52:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用西城女孩在2008-4-24 16:45:00的发言： <img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em06.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em06.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em06.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" />大姐姐是在说瓦吧……<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" />瓦真的素被雷过头了<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em22.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em22.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em27.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em33.gif\" />瓦比较容易激动~~~~~~~~~~~~<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em33.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em32.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em37.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em53.gif\" />现在冷静下来还是很后悔自己的话。。。。。。。。。。。。。<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em74.gif\" />默~跑走。。。<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em61.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em61.gif\" />希望内们能原谅。不能的话也就当素一个再次的教训<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em61.gif\" /> </div>妹妹还是经历太少，看多了也就不觉得有什么了内以后别在那么说他了好吗要知道我对最讨厌的球员都没那么相容过他们，更何况是自己喜欢过的球员反正现在很多曾经站在他身边的人都离开了，就让他安静的离开吧

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alpha的守护神 · 发表于 2008-4-25 04:00:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用Neverever_D在2008-4-24 22:49:00的发言： 就算心里再舍不得再难过，把自己最喜爱的球员送走时也要笑着祝福，这就是我家的生活方式。将心比心，一个俱乐部可以拥有很多球员，百年多地延续下去，但是一个球员的运动生命不过十来年，相较起来仿佛昙花一样短暂，谁都想活得更精彩。集体有集体的追求，个人也有个人的梦想。两者都是合理的。</div>我喜欢这种豁达对啊，俱乐部要追求利益的最大化，个人也有这个需要啊所以，我也送上祝福，希望离开的人都要顺利

alpha的守护神 · 发表于 2008-4-25 04:01:00

上半场我仁1：0领先松鼠传球，萝卜禁区争球被对方踢倒点球小刀主罚，被扑出，然后自己补射进了

alpha的守护神 · 发表于 2008-4-25 04:47:00

下半场大卢进了个乌龙，很像里瑟那个不过没他漂亮，也不是补时的绝杀，我说的什么话啊，彻底晕了最后平了，客场依旧凶险

alpha的守护神 · 发表于 2008-4-25 04:52:00

直播贴里的人有意的回避着不谈拉姆这两个字其实没看到有人骂他我就觉不错了他表现的还是很积极的，尤其是上半场现场的球迷也一样，平时，传球和铲断都会有掌声的，现在什么都没有下半场大卢进了乌龙后，我仁全乱了其实也跟希帅的战术有关，又是领先就退守于是有人就开始找松鼠的问题了，骂的也出来了，不过还好，不多，个别现场在他拿球的时候也有嘘声了算了，再说我也烦死了

不来梅冰球 · 发表于 2008-4-25 10:09:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用棉被爱王子在2008-4-25 0:18:00的发言： 上主ID来团抱所有HL的亲妈们~MUA<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" /></div>LG最好了MUA~~~<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em03.gif\" />

热爱金属 · 发表于 2008-4-25 12:46:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用MingTze在2008-4-24 16:25:00的发言： I have been a Bayern fan probably from before you were born. ( It wiil be 34 years by this summer, and counting). But I have never felt the way I should (i.e. 应该). I have never hated anyone for leaving Bayern, or for beating Bayern, or for bad-mouthing Bayern.Yes, when a useful player leaves Bayern, I am disappointed, sometimes even sad. But that is very far from anger, even father from hate. Obviously you are entitled to your opinions and your feelings, even though I don\'t share them. And you, and your opinions and your feelings have my respect as long as they are expressed in a civil way--which they have been so far.I wonder how today\'s fans would have reacted when Beckenbauer, still not \"over the hill\" at 31 given his football brain and style of play, quit Bayern to join the New York Cosmos in the money-burning North America Soccer League, AND return to the Bundesliga 3 years later---to play 2 more years for Hamburg! Or when there were persistent rumours for years that Rummenigge was about to leave Bayern for some team in Spain or italy, which he eventually did in 1984 by joining Inter. At that time, they were absolutely key players to Bayern, more so than Ballack ever was. Even Uli Hoeness left Bayern in an attempt to revive his injury ravaged career. ( Well, he failed.) While he was no longer useful at that time because of his bad knees, I wonder if today\'s fans might feel that he should have save that trouble by just retiring at Bayern, just to preserve his \"chastity\" with the club, the way Van Basten and Sammer did at the clubs they were identifies with, many years later. Fortunately for Hoeness, Rummenigga and Der Kaiser, most of today\'s righteous fans with their high moral standards were not born yet when that happened. </div>这两件转会上（巴拉克和拉姆）我不会被任何人说服，也不想说服任何人我会保持我自己的观点但这和团里人的关系无关

稗官野史 · 发表于 2008-4-25 13:14:00

<div class=\"quote\">以下是引用棉被爱王子在2008-4-25 0:56:00的发言： 那大桑普呢？大罗马呢？<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em05.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em05.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em05.gif\" /></div>桑普就算了，罗马<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" />还有玫瑰城啊【踹，谁要你喜欢，滚<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em29.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em29.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em29.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em29.gif\" />

热爱金属 · 发表于 2008-4-25 13:23:00

玫瑰城不是图卢兹么

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