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魔力girl 发表于 2008-4-23 16:54:00 | 显示全部楼层
<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em07.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em07.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em07.gif\" />平静了………………<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em25.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em25.gif\" />
lluvia 发表于 2008-4-23 18:34:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>标题改了啊....</p><p>今天想了一天,总算冷静下来接受事实了,我爱拜仁不是因为拉姆,同样,我爱拉姆也不是因为拜仁,但我同时爱这两者.拉姆离开,我还是拜仁的球迷,在拜仁看不到熟悉的21号,我还是喜欢着那个小个子娃娃脸的德国队队员,不管未来如何,祝福他.</p>
wilwilson 发表于 2008-4-23 20:53:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>MingTze</i>在2008-4-23 15:19:00的发言:</b><br/><p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em83.gif\" /></p><p>Very well said.  Very mature observation. </p><p></p><p></p><p>(My apologies for posting in English.  Some of the MMs here might have \"seen\" me on other Bayern bbs, and know that I cannot type Chinese.  Please allow me to go on and post a long message in English.) </p><p></p><p>Don\'t get too upset about those so-called fans who cursed every player who left before their usefulness to the team has expired.  I know it is easier said than done.  I am a lot older than everyone on these football bbs, and have seen a lot more of the world than you boys and girls,  It still make me sad to see people who are completely unable to respect anyone who do not do as they wish.  </p><p></p><p>Some people watch football not because they love the game or even the team they support.  The \"passion of fans\" is an excuse and justification to vent their frustrations with their sorry lives.  </p><p></p><p>I once saw a movie with the following scene.  </p><p>\"The Empress Ci Xi was upset about something. So she ordered several dozens of servant girls to be beaten to death outside her palace.  But before they were dragged outside to be beaten to death, the girls all knelt and kowtow to the \"Old Budha\" to thank her for the privilege to serve her and for the honour of being sentenced to death by her personally.\"  </p><p>I know this is not the best analogy, but somehow, whenever certain football fans demand complete loyalty from players of \"their\" teams, that scene keep coming to my mind.   Now, that is \"loyalty\"!  And of course, the \"Old Budha\"  was always right, anyone who did not please her was totally worthless. </p><p></p><p>Obviously these fans cannot do anything more than scream and curse and call names.  But these guys seems to still entertain the medieval concept that defines loyalty as \"when the emperor tells a subject to die, the subject has no alternative but to die\".  Of course they are indulging the fantacy of being in the emperor\'s position.  They would never imagine themselves as the subjects.  To them, in football, being a fan make them emperors. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, Franz Beckenbauer retired at Hamburg, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge left for Inter , never to return to Bayern as a player, after years of rumours that he was about to leave Bayern for a foreign paycheck.  Even Uli Hoeness briefly left Bayern for half a season for another team (I can\'t remember which) in an attempt to revive his injury ravaged career.  They would all have been \"traitors\".  Well, actually, perhaps not Hoesness, because when he left he was no longer useful as a player. Der Kaiser was no longer at his peak when he left, but still way better than most players. </p><p></p><p>As I said, I must be older than everyone on these football bbs.  I also happened to be born in Hong Kong, and so was fortunate to be exposed to international football early.  I became a fan of the then West Germany at the 1974 world cup, the first one with good television coverage in Hong Kong.  Because of the 6 Bayern players among those world champions, I also started to follow Bayern.  Other than 3 years in the late 1970\'s, I have not been able to watch Bayern play regularly.  (I moved to the football wilderness called North America.)  But I am still a Bayern fan.  I watched the 1975 European Cup final (the predecessor of the Champions League) on TV, when Bayern beat Leeds to claim their 2nd Big Ears.  I was at the San Siro in 2001 when Bayern finally regained the trophy after 25 years.  I know I will still be there, lifespan permitting, when Bayern claim their fifth, although I hope I don\'t have to wait for another 25 years.  </p><p></p><p>I just smile when some kids call themselves \"senior\" fans for having been Bayern fans for 10 years.  (It certainly isn\'t their fault that they were born after Der Kaiser, or perhaps even after Rummenigge, retired from playing football.  Personally, I dare not take myself too seriously as a fan, despite my old age, because I know there are other fans around who have watched Fritz Walter played football.)   I am sure I would not pass the test as a \"real\" football fan , or a \"real\" Bayern fan, in the eyes of some young football experts on the Chinese football bbs.  I happen to \"ride the fence\" sometimes and like other teams now and then.  (I call it being married to Bayern and having an occasional affair with another team. <img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em21.gif\" />)  I also have favorite players I care deeply about.  And I wonder how many of the righteous, loyal fans who scream and curse the \"traitors\" would still be screaming and cursing for the love of Bayern in 25 years\' time. </p><p></p><p>Not all of my favorite players over the years are German or played for Bayern, although many are and many did.  Lahm is one of my favorites among currently active players.  I have been a Bayern fan long before Lahm was born.  I have seen my favorite players come and go from my fovorite team(s).  I am sure, when Lahm leaves Bayern, I will still support Bayern, and I will continue to care about him, whichever team he plays for.  Wherever he goes, I wish him the best. </p><p></p><p>.S.  I wish Lahm had handled this contract situation better than he did, but that is a different topic.  He has never given the impression of being an undecisive person, but rather someone who knows what he wants.  The decision to leave Bayern must be a very difficult one for him.  That is why, I think, he was so undecisive--and I just hope he and Bayern can stay on good terms after the parting of ways, the way Elber and Makaay stay on good terms wtih Bayern.</p><br/></div><p></p><p>read through the whole passage...just totally agree with it.<br/>the first time I saw the news on tv saying that he will not stay in bayern and going to barcelona...i was really really shocked...<br/>it just too difficult for me to digest the news....disappointed? confused? frustuated? i can\'t really state clearly what i am feeling right now..maybe i just believe he will choose to stay rather than leave...although i know that is his choice...it\'s not difficult for us to understand that why he wants to play for bacelona...<br/>but i think i just need some time to accept the fact that...he will not playing for bayern next season(or next next reason? i forgot...)</p><p>care about him and bayern at the same time is not contradicting..i can do it for sure.</p><p>for some of those \"bayern fans\"...i think the best way is to ignore what they are saying...there is nothing we can do to control their minds...their curse won\'t affect the player\'s life...they are still living...the fact won\'t change just because those people are cursing or scolding him..he will still play for bayern for the rest of this season...</p><p>we are not the one to decide whether he is doing right or wrong on this contract situation. we are not the one to comment on his behaviour. bayern will know who is the traitor. </p><p>he is still my favourite player in the germany squad no matter which team he\'s playing for...i will support him. </p><p>typed a long paragraph...not really know what i am thinking actually....sigh..</p><p>S are you living in HK? just guess it by this &gt;&gt;\"the first one with good television coverage in Hong Kong. \" XD</p>
wilwilson 发表于 2008-4-23 20:58:00 | 显示全部楼层
can they just show some respect to those player who had played for the team?
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 21:14:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>稗官野史</i>在2008-4-23 14:16:00的发言:</b><br/><p>刚从拜仁版回来,扶墙休息一会儿,wk</p><p>烦死了烦死了烦死了,娘的有完没完啊(掌柜让我发泄下吧我知道我应该转天下版&gt;&lt;)</p><p>虽然他现在说了一堆废话被人骂成白眼狼我还是相信他心里是有拜仁的!!</p><p>自欺欺人不行啊!</p><p></p><p></p></div><p>我也去了,而且很少有的和某些人理论了几下</p><p>不是自欺欺人,我想所有的球员对他曾经效力过的球队都是充满感激之情的</p><p>就算他走了,拜仁也在他心里有重要的分量</p>
wilwilson 发表于 2008-4-23 21:18:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>alpha的守护神</i>在2008-4-23 21:14:00的发言:</b><br/><p>我也去了,而且很少有的和某些人理论了几下</p><p>不是自欺欺人,我想所有的球员对他曾经效力过的球队都是充满感激之情的</p><p>就算他走了,拜仁也在他心里有重要的分量</p></div><p>慕尼黑永遠是他的家</p><p>我只是不想相信那句\"不相信拜仁09年能進歐冠決賽\"是出自他口的...</p>
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lluvia 发表于 2008-4-23 21:19:00 | 显示全部楼层
<p>为什么看到和拉姆有关的帖子明知道大多数都是在指责他我还是往里跳<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /></p><p>伪君子?说这种话的人才是不折不扣的伪君子呢<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em10.gif\" /></p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 21:26:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>不来梅冰球</i>在2008-4-23 14:19:00的发言:</b><br/><p>小A把标题都改了</p><p>5555555555555</p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /></div><p>改了,心里难受,尤其是看到拜仁版几乎整页的都是在骂他的,难过死了</p><p>本来想改的更惨烈点,但想想,还不是世界末日,只要不看到转会的合同我就不认为这是事实</p><p>即便他真的转会了,拜仁继续是我仁,拉姆继续是松鼠,只不过,我又多了一支关注的球队</p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 21:27:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>wilwilson</i>在2008-4-23 14:27:00的发言:</b><br/>我是不應該看這些新聞的...<br/>沒有心情溫習了...<br/>T.T<br/><br/><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em49.gif\" /><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em98.gif\" /></div><p>amy还是复习吧,不要再去拜仁版了</p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 21:48:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>MingTze</i>在2008-4-23 15:19:00的发言:</b><br/><p><img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em83.gif\" /></p><p>Very well said.  Very mature observation. </p><p></p><p></p><p>(My apologies for posting in English.  Some of the MMs here might have \"seen\" me on other Bayern bbs, and know that I cannot type Chinese.  Please allow me to go on and post a long message in English.) </p><p></p><p>Don\'t get too upset about those so-called fans who cursed every player who left before their usefulness to the team has expired.  I know it is easier said than done.  I am a lot older than everyone on these football bbs, and have seen a lot more of the world than you boys and girls,  It still make me sad to see people who are completely unable to respect anyone who do not do as they wish.  </p><p></p><p>Some people watch football not because they love the game or even the team they support.  The \"passion of fans\" is an excuse and justification to vent their frustrations with their sorry lives.  </p><p></p><p>I once saw a movie with the following scene.  </p><p>\"The Empress Ci Xi was upset about something. So she ordered several dozens of servant girls to be beaten to death outside her palace.  But before they were dragged outside to be beaten to death, the girls all knelt and kowtow to the \"Old Budha\" to thank her for the privilege to serve her and for the honour of being sentenced to death by her personally.\"  </p><p>I know this is not the best analogy, but somehow, whenever certain football fans demand complete loyalty from players of \"their\" teams, that scene keep coming to my mind.   Now, that is \"loyalty\"!  And of course, the \"Old Budha\"  was always right, anyone who did not please her was totally worthless. </p><p></p><p>Obviously these fans cannot do anything more than scream and curse and call names.  But these guys seems to still entertain the medieval concept that defines loyalty as \"when the emperor tells a subject to die, the subject has no alternative but to die\".  Of course they are indulging the fantacy of being in the emperor\'s position.  They would never imagine themselves as the subjects.  To them, in football, being a fan make them emperors. </p><p></p><p>Anyway, Franz Beckenbauer retired at Hamburg, Karl-Heinz Rummenigge left for Inter , never to return to Bayern as a player, after years of rumours that he was about to leave Bayern for a foreign paycheck.  Even Uli Hoeness briefly left Bayern for half a season for another team (I can\'t remember which) in an attempt to revive his injury ravaged career.  They would all have been \"traitors\".  Well, actually, perhaps not Hoesness, because when he left he was no longer useful as a player. Der Kaiser was no longer at his peak when he left, but still way better than most players. </p><p></p><p>As I said, I must be older than everyone on these football bbs.  I also happened to be born in Hong Kong, and so was fortunate to be exposed to international football early.  I became a fan of the then West Germany at the 1974 world cup, the first one with good television coverage in Hong Kong.  Because of the 6 Bayern players among those world champions, I also started to follow Bayern.  Other than 3 years in the late 1970\'s, I have not been able to watch Bayern play regularly.  (I moved to the football wilderness called North America.)  But I am still a Bayern fan.  I watched the 1975 European Cup final (the predecessor of the Champions League) on TV, when Bayern beat Leeds to claim their 2nd Big Ears.  I was at the San Siro in 2001 when Bayern finally regained the trophy after 25 years.  I know I will still be there, lifespan permitting, when Bayern claim their fifth, although I hope I don\'t have to wait for another 25 years.  </p><p></p><p>I just smile when some kids call themselves \"senior\" fans for having been Bayern fans for 10 years.  (It certainly isn\'t their fault that they were born after Der Kaiser, or perhaps even after Rummenigge, retired from playing football.  Personally, I dare not take myself too seriously as a fan, despite my old age, because I know there are other fans around who have watched Fritz Walter played football.)   I am sure I would not pass the test as a \"real\" football fan , or a \"real\" Bayern fan, in the eyes of some young football experts on the Chinese football bbs.  I happen to \"ride the fence\" sometimes and like other teams now and then.  (I call it being married to Bayern and having an occasional affair with another team. <img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em21.gif\" />)  I also have favorite players I care deeply about.  And I wonder how many of the righteous, loyal fans who scream and curse the \"traitors\" would still be screaming and cursing for the love of Bayern in 25 years\' time. </p><p></p><p>Not all of my favorite players over the years are German or played for Bayern, although many are and many did.  Lahm is one of my favorites among currently active players. <font color=\"#ff0000\"> I have been a Bayern fan long before Lahm was born.  I have seen my favorite players come and go from my fovorite team(s). </font><font color=\"#ff0000\"> I am sure, when Lahm leaves Bayern, I will still support Bayern, and I will continue to care about him, whichever team he plays for.  Wherever he goes, I wish him the best</font>. </p><p></p><p>.S.  I wish Lahm had handled this contract situation better than he did, but that is a different topic.  He has never given the impression of being an undecisive person, but rather someone who knows what he wants.  The decision to leave Bayern must be a very difficult one for him.  That is why, I think, he was so undecisive--and I just hope he and Bayern can stay on good terms after the parting of ways, the way Elber and Makaay stay on good terms wtih Bayern.</p><br/></div><p></p><p>谢谢,我知道你的,在联盟,南部,都有看过你的英文回帖</p><p>你喜欢拜仁那么久了,太感动了,也许正是因为这个原因,看多了分分合合才会这么淡定</p><p>我跟你的想法一样,就算他离开也不会改变什么,我仍然是拜仁的球迷,也仍然是拉米的球迷,我为拜仁祝福的同时也为拉米祝福</p><p></p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 21:53:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>goleo6</i>在2008-4-23 15:50:00的发言:</b><br/><p>别理有些拜仁球迷<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em07.gif\" /></p><p>话说回来,貌似在西班牙大家都知道巴萨跟拉姆达成了协议,很早以前就看见论坛上有人用确定的口吻说这件事了,应该是冬歇期以前……</p></div><p>谁知道呢,其实相当一部分的合同存在违规的现象</p><p>其实我还是不太相信拉米能办出这种事</p><p>他转会的事跟他的经纪人也脱不开干系</p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 21:57:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lyre</i>在2008-4-23 16:05:00的发言:</b><br/><p>我只记得当时好像是说马卡报上最先登出来的。。具体来源要追的话就太难了。。也懒得找了。。</p><p>反正现在lahm要走已经板上钉钉了。。</p><p>不过会不会去巴萨也还不知道呢。。。</p><p>就盼着厂长趁着夏天卖掉就算了。。不然越拖事儿越多。。</p></div><p>如果厂长把他卖掉算是了事了,如果让他自由转会,某些人指不定还能说出什么呢</p><p></p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 21:58:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>goleo6</i>在2008-4-23 16:13:00的发言:</b><br/>对啊,这种东西顺其自然就好,职业足球么,趁着年轻出去闯荡闯荡也没啥不好,谈合同当然是哪家合适去哪家了。</div><p>很多人不这么想</p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 22:00:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>姚黄魏紫</i>在2008-4-23 16:18:00的发言:</b><br/><p>摸摸楼上的亲妈团</p></div><p>抱</p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 22:02:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>Lyre</i>在2008-4-23 16:31:00的发言:</b><br/><p></p><p></p><p>我其实也不是没做过他会走得心里准备。。但没想到这么快。。。</p><p>而且在他之前表态说他已经要续约后。。我没想到突然间又生这么多变故。。。<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em08.gif\" /></p></div><p>我也是,也想过如果他转会会被大家骂,没想到会被骂的这么厉害,其中就有曾经他的忠实球迷,好笑</p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 22:05:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>lluvia</i>在2008-4-23 18:34:00的发言:</b><br/><p>标题改了啊....</p><p>今天想了一天,总算冷静下来接受事实了,我爱拜仁不是因为拉姆,同样,我爱拉姆也不是因为拜仁,但我同时爱这两者.拉姆离开,我还是拜仁的球迷,在拜仁看不到熟悉的21号,我还是喜欢着那个小个子娃娃脸的德国队队员,不管未来如何,祝福他.</p></div><p>改了,如果哪天见到诸如楼主已死的标题也别惊讶</p><p>就是这样</p><p>我不是接受现实,而是只能面对现实</p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 22:10:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>wilwilson</i>在2008-4-23 21:18:00的发言:</b><br/><p>慕尼黑永遠是他的家</p><p>我只是不想相信那句\"不相信拜仁09年能進歐冠決賽\"是出自他口的...</p><br/></div><p>我也不相信,我觉得那只是媒体用来吸引人眼球的放大话语</p><p>以他的个性,以他为人处世的方法,他是不会说的这么直白的</p>
lluvia 发表于 2008-4-23 22:19:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>alpha的守护神</i>在2008-4-23 22:02:00的发言:</b><br/><p>我也是,也想过如果他转会会被大家骂,没想到会被骂的这么厉害,其中就有曾经他的忠实球迷,好笑</p></div><p>是很好笑,官网那边还有人提议取消拉姆版...以后除了追yelan的文,我不会再去那里的其他版面了...</p><p></p>
 楼主| alpha的守护神 发表于 2008-4-23 22:20:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>lluvia</i>在2008-4-23 21:19:00的发言:</b><br/><p>为什么看到和拉姆有关的帖子明知道大多数都是在指责他我还是往里跳<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em09.gif\" /></p><p>伪君子?说这种话的人才是不折不扣的伪君子呢<img src=\"images/post/smile/dvbbs/em10.gif\" /></p></div><p>混蛋都出来了,还有什么不能没有的</p><p>如果你看了一下曾经的lahmfan说的话,估计真的会被………………</p>
lluvia 发表于 2008-4-23 22:21:00 | 显示全部楼层
<div class=\"quote\"><b>以下是引用<i>alpha的守护神</i>在2008-4-23 22:20:00的发言:</b><br/><p>混蛋都出来了,还有什么不能没有的</p><p>如果你看了一下曾经的lahmfan说的话,估计真的会被………………</p></div><p></p>看到了,比起愤怒,更心寒.....
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